Planning Sub-Committee – 14 July 2000

PRESENT: Councillor Ellis in the chair.

Councillors Fordham (vice-chair), Grant, Holgate, P Kirk, Long, Mrs Martin, Phillips, Rocks, Wardle and Wood.

Councillors Berry, Billam and Chapman attended the meeting under the provisions of Standing Order 40(b).

The sub-committee met at Crowle Community Centre.

83 DECLARATIONS OF PECUNIARY AND NON-PECUNIARY INTERESTS – The following members declared non-pecuniary interests in the matters listed below:-

Member Minute No. Subject
Councillor Ellis 89(xxxiii) Application 00/0604
Councillor Holgate 89(xxxv) Application 00/0609

84 REQUESTS TO SPEAK – STANDING ORDER 38(b) – It was reported that twelve requests to speak had been received in accordance with Standing Order 38(b). The chair briefly outlined the procedure, indicating that they would be given the opportunity to speak prior to consideration of the respective applications.

85 MINUTES – Resolved – That the minutes of the proceedings of this sub-committee of 16 June 2000, having been printed and circulated amongst the members, be taken as read and correctly recorded and be signed by the chair.

86 APPLICATIONS DEFERRED FROM PREVIOUS MEETING FOR SITE VISITS – (minute 71 refers) – In accordance with the decisions at the last meeting, members had undertaken site visits earlier in the day. The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted reports and updated them orally where appropriate.

(54) 98/1532 by Mrs E Watson for erection of a dwelling north east of the fishing pond, off Chafer Lane, Stather Road, Burton-upon-Stather.

Prior to consideration of this application the applicant’s agent and an objector addressed the sub-committee under the provisions of Standing Order 38(b).

The applicant’s agent asked for the application to be determined on its merits, in accordance with the officer’s recommendation. His client had been made to “jump through hoops” in order to justify the proposal and had done so. The financial appraisal showed that the proposal was viable, but the business could not continue on the present basis.

The objector argued that there was no special need for on-site management. The ponds had been well used for thirty years and permission for a dwelling had been refused three times in the past. He also disputed some of the figures contained in the Business Plan. He argued that there were no reasons to outweigh the fact that the site was in open countryside.

The Director of Environment and Public Protection stated that the site was in open countryside and therefore normally an application for residential development would receive a recommendation for refusal. However, in this case the Business Plan submitted by the applicant had shown that the business was viable. The matter was finely balanced but the new information put forward by the applicant supported the need for a dwelling on the site. Councillor Billam, attending the meeting under the provisions of Standing Order 40(b) and at the invitation of the chair, spoke, informing members that the parish council supported the application, subject to a condition requiring the dwelling to be a bungalow rather than a house.

Members were concerned that granting permission could create a precedent for other sites in North Lincolnshire and were not persuaded that a dwelling was necessary for the operation of the business.

Resolved – That permission be refused on the grounds that the site is in open countryside and the sub-committee is not satisfied that it has been established that a dwelling is necessary for the operation of the business.

87 (55) 00/0380 by Mr and Mrs Weston for Outline Permission for one dwelling house at Fourwinds, North Cliff Road, Kirton-in-Lindsey.

Resolved – That permission be refused in accordance with the recommendation contained in the report.

88 (56) HISTORIC BUILDING GRANTS – The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted reports on the following applications for grant aid. Each report set out the background to the application, details of the proposed works and resource and environmental implications.

Resolved – That the following grants be offered subject to satisfactory completion of the repair work:-

Property Grant

(£)

Eastfield, Albert Street, Brigg 759
Brandicar Farm, Howsham 2,500
16 West Acridge, Barton-upon-Humber 1,114
Manor House, Churchside, West Halton 513
1 Church Street, Epworth 4,551
Hallgarth Cottage, Back Street, Alkborough 950

89 (57) PLANNING APPLICATIONS – The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted a report incorporating a schedule containing details of applications for determination by the sub-committee, including summaries of policy context, representations arising from consultation and publicity and assessment of the applications. Officers updated the schedule orally in respect of late representations and other significant developments since its preparation.

Resolved – That the following applications be approved in accordance with the recommendations contained in the reports.

(i) 99/0821 by B P Chemicals for construction of nine below ground multiple steel pipelines with an above ground block valve compound at Rosper Road, South Killingholme.

(ii) 99/1002 by Aldi Stores Ltd for erection of food store with associated car parking at 128 Ashby High Street, Scunthorpe.

(iii) 00/0086 by North Killingholme Storage Ltd for change of use of land to open storage of coal and coke products at North Killingholme Airfield, Lancaster Approach, North Killingholme.

(iv) 00/0237 by Mr M Steer for change of use of a former shop (A1) to a food preparation and delivery service at 30 Queens Road, Barnetby.

(v) 00/0299 by Mrs S Lees for erection of seven dwellings at Poplar Farm, 16 West End Road, Epworth.

(vi) 00/0364 by Chartdale Homes for erection of seven detached dwellings, creation of a new access road and amendment of internal road layouts on land off Ferriby Road, Barton-upon-Humber.

(vii) 00/0408 by Mr P M Cooper for erection of a store on the rear of a garage at Graiseholme, Main Street, Graizelound.

(viii) 00/0415 by Peter Carter for permission to park five HGVs on land at Bracken Hill Farm, Scawby Road, Broughton.

(ix) 99/0421 by Mr K McHale for erection of a first floor bedroom extension at 38 Chancel Road, Bottesford.

(Note: Prior to consideration of the foregoing application an objector addressed the sub-committee. She was concerned at possible overlooking of her property from the extension. The Director of Environment and Public Protection advised that the proposal was in keeping with the area. The window overlooking the objector’s property was to be obscure glazed and top-hinged so that the view would be restricted).

(x) 00/0422 by Mr R Jackson for retention of improved access to West Carr Farmhouse, West Carr, Epworth.

(xi) 00/0427 by C Spencer for erection of two-storey portable office accommodation and provision of additional car parking spaces at C Spencer Ltd, Mill Lane, Barrow-upon-Humber.

(xii) 00/0432 by Mr P J Huntington for erection of extensions to existing bungalow at 30 Pinfold, Epworth.

(xiii) 00/0441 by Penrow Developments for outline permission to erect a dwelling on land adjacent to 17 Meredith Avenue, Scunthorpe.

(xiv) 00/0457 by Mr and Mrs P Ferguson for conversion of a barn to a dwelling at Croft View, Upperthorpe Hill, Westwoodside.

(xv) 00/0474 by 1st Goxhill and Barrow Scouts HQ for change of use of agricultural land to create a landscaped/wild area at rear of Scout HQ, Barrow Road, New Holland.

(xvi) 00/0478 by Mr J Fields for erection of a building for the storage and renovation of vintage tractors in connection with hobby at 314 Messingham Road, Scunthorpe.

(xvii) 00/0482 by K J Embleton for erection of a dwelling, stable block and dutch barn, construction of a wildlife pond and change of use of existing bungalow to amenity building to cater for caravan club usage at Scawcett Farm, Scawcett Lane, Epworth.

(The Director of Environment and Public Protection updated the report summarising two additional objections concerned mainly with the potential increase in traffic along the access track, past existing properties).

(xviii) 00/0485 by Mr and Mrs Corringham for erection of a conservatory at Ellerdale, Spruce Lane, Ulceby.

(xix) 00/0488 by Mr D Beard for conversion of a barn to a dwelling at The Barn, Lilac Cottage, Upperthorpe Road, Westwoodside.

(The Director of Environment and Public Protection updated the report indicating that the Highways Division and the Parish Council did not object to the proposal and summarising and responding to a letter of representation from a neighbour concerning potential loss of privacy).

(xx) 00//0490 by Braggott Homes Ltd for erection of substitute house types on plots 1, 2, 4, 5, 15, 16, 17, 21, 25 and 26, off Low Street, Haxey.

(xxi) 00/0514 by Mr and Mrs A Tollan for erection of a first floor domestic extension at 9 Dryden Road, Scunthorpe.

(xxii) 00/0528 by Sam’s Fish and Chip Shop for change of use of shop/living accommodation (No. 186) to restaurant/takeaway with associated works and conversion of existing takeaway (No. 184) to a store at 184/186 East Common Lane, Scunthorpe.

(xxiii) 00/0523 by Mr G Green for change of use of barn to a dwelling at Field Farm, Westfield Road, Goxhill.

(xxiv) 00/0540 by Rainbow Kindergarten Ltd for change of use of a former ambulance station to a kindergarten and erection of associated fencing and gate at former Ambulance Station, Wesley Road, Brigg.

(Subject to the amendment of Condition 3 by the substitution of “31 March 2002” for “31 August 2001”).

(xxv) 00/0542 by Mr B A Fairhurst for change of use of offices to a dwelling at 18 Bigby Street, Brigg.

(xxvi) 00/0554 by Day and Nite Stores for variation of condition 2 of permission 96/2057 in order to allow deliveries within the opening hours of the store (7 am – 11 pm) at 9B Station Road, Epworth.

(Subject to the amendment of Condition 1 to read “Deliveries of newspapers, milk and bread shall take place between 7.00 am and 6.00 pm Monday to Saturday, all other deliveries shall take place between 9.00 am and 6.00 pm Monday to Saturday. No deliveries, except for newspapers, shall take place on Sundays or Bank Holidays”).

(Note: Prior to consideration of this application an objector addressed the sub-committee under the provisions of Standing Order 38(b).

The objector was concerned at a possible extension of trading hours following a change in ownership. She wished to see deliveries restricted to between 7.00 am and 6.00 pm Monday to Friday and 7.00 am to noon on Saturdays with none on Sundays or Bank Holidays.

The Director of Environment and Public Protection indicated that there was no restriction on opening hours under the existing permission and it would not be possible to impose such a restriction).

(xxvii) 00/0557 by Mrs S Laver for continued use of a garage as an office at Fircroft, 3 Wrawby Road, Brigg.

(xxviii) 00/5650 by D M Wright for erection of a dwelling on Plot 2, School Lane, Appleby.

(The Director of Environment and Public Protection advised the sub-committee of an additional objection, which raised matters dealt with in the report).

(xxix) 00/0572 by Normanby Estate Co. for change of use of former dairy to a dwelling on land adjacent to The Willows, Little Normanby, Burton-upon-Stather.

(xxx) 00/0583 by Mr and Mrs M Long for erection of a two-storey domestic extension at 48 Messingham Lane, Scawby.

(xxxi) 00/0599 by Mr K Mundell for erection of a detached bungalow and garage with associated access on land rear of 2, 4 and 6 Chapel Road, Broughton.

(xxxii) 00/0603 by Aston Housing Developments Ltd for erection of a detached house and garage on land adjacent to The Cottage, Church Street, Amcotts.

(Councillor Ellis declared an interest in the following item (minute 89 (xxxiii) refers) and vacated the chair. He took no part in the discussion or voting thereon. Councillor Fordham took the chair for consideration of this item only).

(xxxiii) 00/0604 by John Leggott College for erection of a teaching building at John Leggott College, West Common Lane, Scunthorpe.

(xxxiv) 00/0605 by Mr H J Wroot for erection of a detached house and garages (substitute design) on Plot 2, Wharf Road, Ealand.

(Councillor Holgate declared a non-pecuniary interest in the following application, minute 89 (xxxv) refers).

(xxxv) 00/0609 by Axgro Foods Ltd for permission to retain a raised roof at Axgro Foods, School Farm, School Lane, West Butterwick.

(xxxvi) 00/0614 by Mr E Kynman for construction of a vehicular access at Highwinds, 116 Akeferry Road, Graizelound, Haxey.

(xxxvii) 00/0655 by Mr B Duddington for change of use of one room of a dwelling to a personal training room for use by clients on an appointment basis only at 2 Shelroy Close, Scunthorpe.

(xxxviii) 00/0656 by Mrs S Seaman for retention of a boundary wall at Saxon Willows House, Carrhouse Road, Belton.

(xxxix) 00/0657 by the United Muslim Mosque for change of use of part of a dwelling to a classroom and bedsit at 27 Gilliatt Street, Scunthorpe.

(xxxx) 00/0660 by Mr J Harris for erection of two dwellings including details of siting and means of access on land adjacent to 34 Station Road, Epworth.

(Note: Prior to consideration of this application an objector addressed the sub-committee under the provisions of Standing Order 38(b) expressing concerns that no garages were shown on the plan and that in future these may have a detrimental effect on his property, depending on where they were sited. The Director of Environment and Public Protection reported on the response of the Town Council asking for the dwellings to be single-storey. He indicated that garages could be erected without the need for permission. It would be possible to remove these permitted development rights by means of a condition but there would need to be good reason).

(xxxxi) 00/0681 by Mr B Priest for change of use of a barn to a dwelling at Bonnyhale Mushrooms, Bonnyhale Road, Ealand.

90 00/0623 by E W and A Chapman for change of use of land to grass airstrip and private aero club including siting of prefabricated buildings and surfaced car park with associated facilities (re-submission of 99/1191) at Low Hill Farm, West Common Road, Messingham.

Prior to consideration of this foregoing application one of the applicants and an objector addressed the sub-committee under the provisions of Standing Order 38(b).

The applicant stated that he and his co-applicant had applied themselves to the planning issues arising from the earlier refusal and had met the requirements of the Director of Environment and Public Protection. He explained that the airstrip described in the earlier plan as an “emergency airstrip” was for the convenience of pilots, in the event of adverse weather conditions. Under the revised proposal, the pilots could divert to another airfield. Therefore the removal of the “emergency” strip would not compromise safety.

The objector was concerned at potential noise nuisance and danger resulting from flying close to the Gas Compressor Station.

Councillor Chapman also addressed the sub-committee under the provisions of Standing Order 40(b) and spoke against the application.

Moved by the chair and seconded by the vice-chair

That the sub-committee is mindful to grant permission for the development subject to the applicant entering into an agreement under Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 providing safeguards with respect to the control of flights close to and over the gas compressor station at Butterwick Road, Messingham; (b) that the Assistant Director (Planning and Environment) be authorised to grant permission on completion of the Agreement and subject to the conditions contained in the report, and (c) that in the event of the obligation not being completed by 31 October 2000 the Assistant Director (Planning and Environment) be authorised to refuse the application on the grounds of its impact on the safety of the gas compressor station at Butterwick Road, Messingham.

Moved by Councillor Wood and seconded by Councillor Wardle as an amendment

The motion subject to the amendment of Condition 2 by the substitution of “9.00 am” for “7.00 am” in line 2.

Amendment Lost

Motion Carried

91 99/0528 by Mr P Scott for erection of a detached house with integral garage (amended design) on plot adjacent to 31 Haxey Lane, Graizelound.

Resolved – That the alternative first floor bathroom window type and the inclusion of the pedestrian access door to the garage be agreed as amendments to the existing permission.

92 Resolved – That the following applications be refused in accordance with the recommendations contained in the reports.

(i) 99/1206 by Mr D Snowden for erection of a three-bedroomed detached house at The Old Chapel, Brethergate, Westwoodside.

(ii) 00/0249 by R and R J Chappell for outline permission for erection of dwellings (renewal of 97/0828, granted 12/8/97) at Beechwood, East Street, Hibaldstow.

(iii) 00/0395 by Rodney Stone Ltd for outline permission to erect dwellings (renewal of 97/0339, granted 20/6/97) at Brookhouse Farm, Church Farm, Hibaldstow.

(iv) 00/0469 by Lidl UK Gmb H for variation of condition 5 of permission 97/1293 to permit Sunday deliveries at Lidl supermarket, Doncaster Road, Scunthorpe.

(v) 00/0564 by Miss S Lonsdale for outline permission to erect a dwelling at rear of 28 West End Road, Epworth.

(vi) 00/0625 by Exors of Mrs P Sampson and Mrs S E Benton for outline permission for erection of five dwellings at former piggery site, Island Road, Garthorpe.

(vii) 00/0651 by Mr H Bell for change of use from clothes shop to a taxi office and erection of an aerial at Shop Unit 1, Market Hill, High Street, Scunthorpe.

93 Resolved – That consideration of the following applications be deferred until the next meeting and that members visit the sites prior to that meeting.

(i) 99/0526 by J B Edlington & Co Ltd for outline permission for residential development on land south of Engine Street, Brigg.

(ii) 99/0802 by Quinton & Kaines (Holdings) Ltd for outline permission for residential development on land at Engine Street/James Street, Brigg.

(iii) 00/0344 by NTL for erection of a 37.5m telecommunication tower and installation of two equipment cabins and a meter cabinet at Neatgangs Lane, Goxhill.

(iv) 00/0403 by Mrs P Vardy for erection of extensions and carrying out of alterations to existing cottage to provide additional living accommodation at Windfall, 7 Palmer Lane, Barrow-upon-Humber.

(v) 00/0585 by Mr G Wilson for erection of a detached three-bedroomed house with garage (re-submission of 2000/0173) at Beckside House, High Street, East Butterwick.

(vi) 00/0598 by The Administrators re Hill for outline permission for residential development on land adjacent to 42 Doncaster Road, Westwoodside.

94 (58) APPLICATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF RESERVED MATTERS FOLLOWING THE GRANT OF OUTLINE PLANNING PERMISSION – The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted a report informing members about applications for approval of reserved matters which were ready for determination. Outline planning permission had already been granted and the developments had therefore been agreed in principle. Consideration was now required to the details of the siting, design, external appearance, means of access and landscaping of the development (excluding any of these matters which were expressly approved at the time outline permission had been granted).

Resolved – That the following applications be approved in accordance with the recommendations contained in the reports.

(i) 00/0083 by Keigar Homes Ltd for matters reserved under permission 98/0277 on land south of Horsegate Field Road, Goxhill.

(Subject to the deletion of Condition 7 and consequent re-numbering of Conditions 8 – 11)

(Note: Prior to consideration of the foregoing application a representative of the applicants and an objector addressed the sub-committee under the provisions of Standing Order 38(b). The objector claimed that the sewerage arrangements in the area were inadequate to serve existing properties and further development would exacerbate the problem.

The applicants’ representative indicated that an amended scheme had been submitted to address the concerns of the objectors and to meet the needs of the local people.

The Director of Environment and Public Protection reported that the amendments made to the scheme had resulted in an acceptable layout. The developer would seek adoption of the drainage system by the water authority but was not responsible for existing problems outside the site.

He also reported that the survey required under the proposed Condition 7 had now been carried out and had established that there were no protected mammals present on the site. That condition was now superfluous).

(ii) 00/0307 by Mr Withers for matters reserved under permission 98/0984 on Plot 5, Battle Green, Epworth.

(iii) 00/0520 by Mr C M Smith for matters reserved under permission 97/1533 on land, south of Ruclan, North End, Goxhill.

(iv) 00/0539 by Bassindale Mason Developments Ltd for matters reserved under permission 2/254/93 on land at 27-37 Wharf Road, Crowle.

(Subject to the deletion of Conditions 2 and 3 and consequent renumbering of Condition 4).

95 (59) CONSULTATION BY OTHER AUTHORITIES OR BODIES – 99/1104 BY BP AMOCO CHEMICALS LTD FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THREE CROSS-COUNTRY PIPELINES FROM THE SALT END COMPLEX IN THE EAST RIDING OF YORKSHIRE TO LOCATIONS AROUND IMMINGHAM AND STALLINGBOROUGH – The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted a report on this application which the Council had been consulted by the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry.

Resolved – That the Secretary be informed that the Council has no objections to the proposal subject to the same conditions being imposed as for application 99/0821.

96 (60) APPEALS – The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted a report informing members of the following appeals to the Secretary of State.

(i) Against the refusal to grant permission for the lifting of conditions 2(ii) and 22 of permission 98/0426 so as to permit the transport of waste by road at Kirton-in-Lindsey Quarry, Gainsthorpe Road, Kirton-in-Lindsey – Application 99/0937 – Appeal Dismissed.

(ii) Against the refusal of outline permission for erection of nine houses on land opposite The Reindeer Inn, Sandtoft Road, Sandtoft – Application 99/0442 – Appeal Dismissed.

(iii) Against the refusal of outline permission to erect a 40-bedroomed nursing home (renewal of permission 96/1030) on land south of Carisbrooke Manor, Carisbrooke Manor Lane, Burringham – Application 99/0534 – Appeal Allowed.

(iv) Against the refusal of permission for continued use of land for the siting of a residential caravan as living accommodation with additional caravan, garden shed etc at the Paddock, Mill Lane, Brigg – Application 99/0897 – Appeal Allowed.

Resolved – That the report be noted.

ENFORCEMENT – The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted reports on the following alleged breaches of planning control. Each report set out the planning history of the site; the nature of the alleged breach; details of attempts to secure a cessation of the breach or submission of a planning application, and the reasons why it was considered expedient to take action.

97 (61) Unauthorised Development – Insertion of uPVC windows in a residential property situated in a conservation area at 25 Southcliffe Road, Kirton-in-Lindsey – Resolved – That authority be given (a) for any necessary enforcement action to secure the removal of unauthorised windows, and (b) to issue instructions to take proceedings in the Magistrates’ Court in the event that any notice served in pursuance of (a) or any requisition served under Section 330 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 or Section 16 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 is not complied with, subject to the Assistant Director (Legal and Administration) being satisfied as with the evidence available to support such action.

98 (62) Untidy Land – South of Market Court, Crowle – Resolved – That authority be given (a) to take any appropriate formal action including the issue of a notice under Section 215 of the Town and Country Planning Act to secure the clearance and tidying of the site, and (b) to issue instructions to take proceedings in the Magistrates’ Court in the event that any notice served in pursuance of (a) or any requisition served under Section 330 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 or Section 16 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 is not complied with, subject to the Assistant Director (Legal and Administration) being satisfied as with the evidence available to support each action.

99 (63) Untidy Land – Adjacent to Barton Railway Station, Butts Road, Barton-upon-Humber – Resolved – That authority be given (a) to take any appropriate formal action including the issue of a notice under Section 215 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 to secure improvements to the appearance of the land adjacent to the railway station and car park, and (b) to issue instructions to take proceedings in the Magistrates’ Court in the event that any notice served in pursuance of (a) or any requisition served under Section 330 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 or Section 16 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 is not complied with, subject to the Assistant Director (Legal and Administration) being satisfied as with the evidence available to support such action.

100 (64) Non-Compliance with Conditions of Planning Permission – Portable Building used as office and store, 56 West Street, Winterton – Resolved – That authority be given (a) to take any appropriate formal action including the issue of a breach of condition notice to secure compliance with the relevant condition, and (b) to issue instructions to take proceedings in the Magistrates’ Court in the event that any notice served in pursuance of (a) or any requisition served under Section 330 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 or Section 16 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 is not complied with, subject to the Assistant Director (Legal and Administration) being satisfied as with the evidence available to support such action.

101 (65) ENFORCEMENT UPDATE – The Director of Environment and Public Protection submitted a schedule giving details of progress in respect of matters on which the sub-committee had authorised enforcement action.

Resolved – That the report be noted.

102 (66) ITEM REFERRED FROM OTHER COMMITTEES/SUB-COMMITTEES – MINUTE 48 OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC PROTECTION COMMITTEE HELD ON 8 JUNE 2000, PLANNING POLICY GUIDANCE NOTE 3 – The Director of Corporate Affairs submitted the above minute and the corresponding report of the Director of Environment and Public Protection which had been referred to this sub-committee for information.

Resolved – That the report be noted.

103 HEDGEROW REGULATIONS 1997 – NOTICES UNDER REGULATIONS – This matter was considered after the chair had decided it was urgent since any objections to the Notices would have to be made prior to the next meeting of the sub-committee.

The Director of Environment and Public Protection reported that twenty Hedgerow Removal Notices under Regulation 5 of the Hedgerow Regulations had been served on the Council in respect of twenty hedgerows at Goxhill. Should no objection be made by the Council within 42 days, permission to remove the hedges would be deemed to be granted. The hedgerows were being assessed for importance and it was likely that the Director would wish to serve a hedgerow retention notice in respect of at least two of the hedges. The statutory period for consultation had not yet expired and it was possible that further objections to the removal of the hedges would be received.

Resolved – That authority to serve a hedgerow retention notice in respect of some or all of the hedges be delegated to the Director of Environment and Public Protection in consultation with the chair.